21:06:42 [Mitch] Tip #1: Premiere Pro has key frames for most things like previous editions but
21:07:21 [Mitch] now there is was to adjust them similar to AE where you can ease into or fast in/out of a keyframe
21:07:50 [Mitch] Just set-up the key frame and right-click on it to see the options
21:08:23 [Mitch] Questions?
21:08:24 [SureFire] cool, thats handy..I never heard of ease in in AE till you told me, alot easier than time remapping
21:09:14 [FM] maybe not a very easy question but: How similar?
21:09:22 [Mitch] If you're panning a photo, it make it look much smoother
21:09:59 [cmashfaq] u can use easyease here, right?
21:10:08 [SureFire] I never thought of using it for photo panning, good idea
21:10:11 [Mitch] interestingly, I think PPro has more options
21:10:19 [FM] I meant to what extent.
21:10:45 [FM] ok
21:10:47 [SureFire] more options that what? AE? 5.5 or 6.0
21:10:54 [FM] got it
21:10:58 [Mitch] the concepts are similar but not identical
21:11:07 [Mitch] AE 6
21:11:07 [SureFire] *than
21:11:14 [SureFire] ok
21:11:54 [FM] PPro with more options than AE?
21:12:07 [cmashfaq] How?
21:12:29 [Nancy] that option - of ease in - is avaible for any keyframe?
21:12:37 [Mitch] hold on a bit I'll get the details
21:13:00 [FM] I now I'm not making you life any easier, sorry!lol!
21:13:25 [FM] know... sorry
21:13:45 [Nancy]
21:13:46 [Mitch] that's ok I would have to open a big project...
21:15:37 [FM] so... if you know from memory... what tipes of Keyframes are we getting with PPro
21:16:03 [Mitch] the options are normal out, fast out, slow out, easy curve out, hold out
21:16:21 [Mitch] same options for in keyframes
21:16:46 [FM] I would guess Hold, Continous bezier & ...
21:17:08 [Mitch] A nice set. I recommend you try them
21:17:42 [FM] ok! lol!
21:17:46 [Nancy] normal in/out; fast in/out; slow in/out; easy curve in/out; hold in/out
21:17:53 [Mitch] I've used slow quite a bit for sentimental stuff, faster for dramatic
21:18:10 [cmashfaq] i've tried it once, it works nice...
21:18:34 [Mitch] more questions?
21:18:44 [cmashfaq] i had designed a log,, made it to zoom in and out and used easyease features
21:18:59 [cmashfaq] next tip..
21:19:07 [FM] hmmm just a recommendation if you don't mind?
21:19:08 [cmashfaq] i mean logo not log
21:19:19 [SureFire] does ppro let you put transitions on video 2 or higher
21:19:43 [cwrig] yes
21:19:51 [Mitch] rocky yes...in fact that's the next recommendation
21:19:59 [Nancy] and what would be the easy curve be for?
21:20:17 [Mitch] to fade a title in and out you can drop the cross dissolve on the ends
21:20:20 [cmashfaq] hi
21:20:25 [cwrig] I use the easy curve alot on zooming
21:20:44 [Mitch] no more mucking with rubberbands! yea!
21:21:13 [FM] If it is similar to AE it is more natural movment
21:21:31 [cmashfaq] easy out and easy in.. when it has to be used Curt? I mean starting an animating or end..i hope i made the question clear..
21:21:59 [FM] like instead of just starting at a constant speed it would slowly start accelerating the motion
21:22:20 [FM] or the opposit to stop
21:22:28 [cwrig] Setting out sets in on the next keyframe. Was that the ?
21:22:38 [SureFire] I animated a car driving, and when it came to a stop it just stopped, with ease in it slowed down to a stop
21:22:49 [cmashfaq] ya
21:23:01 [cmashfaq] go ahead Curt
21:23:01 [FM] that'st it rocky
21:23:15 [Nancy] that makes sense. thanks.
21:23:17 [cwrig] The ease options also make zoomes start and end in a more "pleasing" manner
21:23:41 [cmashfaq] Cool
21:23:44 [SureFire] yea, I had that problem in Jedi Wear Sketchers..good idea curt
21:23:51 [Mitch] It makes a big difference on continuity and realism
21:24:40 [SureFire] I tried keyframing a 1% then 2% then 3% and so on zoom into the earth but it just wasn't worth the time, plus it still skipped
21:24:47 [cwrig] Has anyone noticed in PPRO that if you keyframe within motion say scale and position, that if the keyframes dont line up perfectly and you use Ease, whacky stuff happens?
21:24:56 [Mitch] Tip#3: They added a de-interlace option for export frame...always use it!
21:25:35 [Mitch] curt, hadn't noticed but I do line they up usually
21:25:37 [SureFire] good tip mitch, I always forget to deinterlace the photos, and have to go back and reexpot
21:25:39 [cmashfaq] deinterlace option is for computer monitor output...Right? if i am correct
21:25:42 [SureFire] rexport
21:26:05 [FM] anothetr one for my notepad, thanks Curt
21:26:10 [cwrig] Mitch, do you find that deinterlace does a good a job as PS deinterlace filter?
21:26:23 [Mitch] I use it mostly for freeze frame or just to print a photo
21:26:38 [Nancy] for still photos, can't that be done in Photoshop before importing into PPro? Does it need to be done again?
21:26:54 [Mitch] I've had better luck with Premiere than PS...
21:27:05 [FM] is it different than the one in 6.5
21:27:17 [cmashfaq] no Nancy it's just an added feature to be used directly
21:27:18 [cwrig] hmm, interesting
21:27:36 [Mitch] nancy, you don't need to de-interlace a still photo created outside of PPro
21:27:52 [Mitch] curt, what have you seen
21:27:55 [Nancy] oh okay - thanks Mitch.
21:28:00 [FM] Unless it comes from a video clip
21:28:09 [Nancy] gotcha
21:28:47 [Mitch] iinterlacing is bit of legacy from TV, it only applies to video
21:29:25 [Mitch] curt, what's been your experience?
21:30:05 [cwrig] To be honest Im in such a habit of doing it in PS, Ive not tried it in PPRO alone
21:30:39 [FM] In 6.5 it was good enough with PAL
21:30:59 [Mitch] When you do export frame, go to settings>keyframe and rendering, there is a new checkbox for de-interlace
21:31:15 [cwrig] I will give it a go next time I need to export a frame. Would be quicker, certainnly
21:31:33 [cmashfaq] That's a very nice tip Mitch
21:31:36 [FM] that is new
21:32:16 [cmashfaq] for me too
21:32:55 [Mitch] Tip#4...Don't import Premiere 6.x projects into Pro....
21:33:09 [FM] ???
21:33:15 [Mitch] Unless there isn't an alternative
21:33:18 [cmashfaq] Why??
21:33:32 [Mitch] It is just very buggy
21:33:51 [cmashfaq] I have made some backgrounds using quicktime and imported it without any problems
21:33:52 [Mitch] Somethings like virtual clips don't translate
21:34:01 [cmashfaq] many times
21:34:27 [cwrig] It depends on the complexity of the 6.5 project. Certain filters (like motion) dont translate well
21:34:39 [Mitch] Somethings like scale don't translate correctly
21:34:44 [cmashfaq] ok
21:34:52 [cwrig] Yes; and virt clips...
21:34:56 [FM] cmashfaq mitch said projects not backgrownds
21:35:10 [cwrig] For some odd reason the translate 6.5 motion to ppro Transform...
21:35:18 [Mitch] I had a project and the logo was shrunk by 50% and then enlarged by 100%
21:35:37 [Mitch] It was the right size but badly pixelated
21:35:37 [cmashfaq] i was rather confused..so to say.. Thanks FM
21:35:43 [Nancy] Pro doesn't have virtual clips does it? I am trying to not get confused with 6.5, which I've never seen.
21:36:17 [cmashfaq] it has sequences Nancy
21:36:17 [Mitch] No. Sequences are much better and do a similar function
21:36:24 [cwrig] Right. Virt clips not needed in PPRO since you can nest the sequences
21:36:35 [cwrig] sorry Mitch. Im too slow
21:36:41 [Nancy] okay, that's what I thought. thanks for the clarification.
21:36:43 [FM] It seems more similar to AE
21:37:05 [Mitch]
no problem. great minds think alike
21:37:09 [FM] You can actually nest sequences
21:37:14 [cmashfaq] comps in ae.. right?
21:37:33 [Mitch] fernando, yep and I think it is the right direction
21:37:41 [FM] like compositions in AE yes
21:37:54 [cwrig] FM = Fernando? Thats good to know
21:38:04 [FM] Absolutly! A BIG plus
21:38:15 [Mitch] fernando, yes that's what it is intended for
21:38:17 [FM] Yes Fernando0 Morgado
21:38:29 [FM] Skip the 0.
21:38:33 [FM] lol
21:38:43 [cwrig] got it
21:39:36 [Mitch] My last tip, #5: the audio mixer now has a peak level indicator
21:39:44 [Mitch] Yea!
21:40:17 [FM] is the mixer better then the one in 6.5
21:40:45 [Mitch] The bad news is that you can go into "the red" on audio without hearing it on preview but will hear it on the final video
21:41:08 [cwrig] Yes, the mixer is signifacantly improved
21:41:20 [Mitch] If you look at the mixer and see "red" on the peak, you're clipping the sound
21:41:33 [FM] I'll have to test it
21:41:46 [Mitch] It is larger and easier to see also
21:41:46 [FM] didn't like the former one
21:42:49 [cwrig] The audio in general was completly revamped in Pro
21:42:53 [Mitch] any other tips or comments?
21:43:16 [FM] does Pro still need the external application to record audio?
21:43:20 [cmashfaq] Curt, it's u'r turn for tips..
21:43:28 [Mitch] There are some new audio effects to better change the audio also
21:43:50 [cwrig] You can do voice dubs right to an audio track
21:44:01 [FM] Good!
21:44:19 [FM] I used Vegas for that!
21:44:27 [cwrig] You can create a submic track(s) and route any audio track to it
21:44:34 [cwrig] sorry; submix
21:44:47 [FM] got it
21:44:48 [Mitch] I haven't used the new audio effects yet...any experience out there?
21:44:59 [FM] how many?
21:45:15 [FM] I mean more than one?
21:45:33 [cwrig] For example; create a submix track called "narration". Route all narration audio tracks to it, then apply a little reverb to the submix track. Boom, all narration tracks have the same reverb
21:46:43 [FM] Way better. I had to do some treaky things with virtual clips for that & didn't like the outcame
21:46:44 [Mitch] the audio has also been revamped to include mono, stereo, and 5.1 surround sound
21:46:55 [cwrig] new audio effects? A nice one is an audio transition. Its fast to drop it between two tracks and create an instant fade
21:47:15 [cmashfaq] Can audio be separated. for example a voice and background music
21:47:16 [cwrig] crossfade rather
21:47:58 [cmashfaq] especially 5.1 surround
21:48:09 [cwrig] Audio Separated? You mean extrack voice from a single voice/music track? No
21:48:15 [FM] doubt it cmashfaq, if you are talking about separating one track
21:48:15 [Mitch] yep, similar to the video
21:48:45 [cmashfaq] ok
21:48:48 [cwrig] Unless of course they are already separated left/right
21:49:00 [Mitch] that would be nice but not realistic, too much blending of the audio
21:49:19 [cmashfaq] if it's 5.1, then it will be separated.. Right?
21:49:36 [cwrig] Of it was recorded that way
21:50:00 [FM] wait 5.1 doesn't mean that voice IS separated
21:50:11 [cmashfaq] btw can we record 5.1 audio in prempro
21:50:44 [cwrig] NORMALY the voice would be on center in 5.1 but its not an absolute rule
21:50:54 [Mitch] no, 5.1 is 5 channel but anything could be on the channels
21:50:57 [FM] you can decide whichamount of audio of each track goes into one of five output channels
21:51:16 [FM] lol
21:51:31 [cwrig] yes; you can take 10 mono tracks if you want, and route each one to a different 5.1 ch
21:51:33 [Mitch] yes there is a method for allocating the tracks
21:52:46 [Mitch] any more tips?
21:52:52 [FM] my question is this: 5.1 for free in PPro? I heard not
21:53:05 [cmashfaq] ok
21:53:42 [Mitch] not exactly...the mpeg encoder gives you 3 free encodes then you have pay
21:53:44 [cwrig] It is free, but you cant use it
21:53:48 [cwrig]
21:53:56 [Mitch] that is 3 5.1 encodes
21:54:23 [cwrig] The free part is it can edit existing 5.1, but it cant encode unless you pay the license fee
21:54:30 [FM] too bad
21:54:32 [cmashfaq] Can we record 5.1 channel sound in PremPro
21:55:03 [cwrig] You can import an existintg 5.1 audio file and edit it
21:55:22 [cwrig] You cant take sterio and encode it to 5.1 without paying the fee
21:55:28 [Mitch] given the price of 5.1 encoding, I actually think it makes sense to price it separately
21:55:32 [cmashfaq] how do we record it? i mean in which software. Audition??
21:55:38 [FM] & does it accept Dolby stereo?
21:55:45 [Mitch] the competitors aren't any cheaper
21:56:31 [cwrig] Dolby Stereo; Im stumped. Not sure
21:56:37 [Mitch] it accepts stereo...I don't know why Dolby wouldn't work
21:56:43 [cmashfaq] Audition should do the job. Right?? Please correct me if i'm wrong..
21:57:14 [FM] Vegas Can use 5.1 & saves it as different waves. You can encode them in Scennarist. It's a shame if you have to pay twice for the same encoder
21:57:34 [Mitch]
I still record audio with my camcorder
21:57:49 [FM] PPro could just do the same. Or does it?
21:58:19 [cwrig] I think if its 5.1 to start with it will resave it as 5.1
21:58:20 [Mitch] I suspect you could export the audio from PPro and do the encoding in Scenarist
21:58:22 [FM] Thanks Curt & Mitch
21:59:12 [cwrig] How does vegas handle 5.1 encoding? I know its strong point is audio.. Im curious
21:59:15 [FM] yeah if it saves as separate audio tracks then I could do that
21:59:22 [Mitch] Just the MPEG2 5.1 encoding is extra
22:00:11 [Mitch] Fernando, do you have a 5.1 file I could test with?
22:00:32 [FM] Curt It can save separate audio waves or encode it. The encoder is not free. but I have an option as long as I already have an encoder
22:00:40 [cwrig] You can do (3) free encodes with PPRO I think, as a teaser
22:00:50 [FM] Yes Mitch I do
22:00:59 [cwrig] I see. Thanks
22:01:16 [FM] But not saving them as separate waves?
22:01:39 [Mitch] If you want, sent it to me and I'll follow-up I'm curious
22:02:10 [Mitch] or send me a few seconds of audio
22:02:50 [FM] Il see if I have one altready on this PC. otherwize I'll send you later. Do you want them now?
22:03:08 [Mitch] tomorrow is fine
22:03:21 [FM] Deal
22:04:09 [Mitch] thanks for coming everyone, I've learned alot! Feel free to stick around
22:04:10 [FM] Curt, any tips?
22:04:28 [Mitch] any tips from anyone else?
22:04:52 [Nancy] I've learned a lot also - thank you so much.
22:05:30 [FM] I'm awake, so I'll stick around for a while longer
22:05:38 [cwrig] Yea; Dont mix yoodles and fosters
22:05:50 [FM] lol!
22:06:10 [Mitch] Don't let the aussies do system management..
22:06:23 [FM] ROTFL
14:03:14 [Mitch] ok let's get started
14:03:51 [Mitch] tip #1: Premiere Pro has a new keyframe system but what is really cool
14:04:23 [Mitch] is that you can adjust how fast or slow the keyframes go in or out
14:04:49 [Mitch] just set the key frame and then right-click on it to get a pop-up menu
14:05:20 [Mitch] I've use this quite abit when zooming or panning photos
14:05:50 [Mitch] It makes the video much smoother and just more professional looking
14:05:56 [Nancy] on one section of my project, I seem to have two keyframes on top of each other - I was trying to smooth things out - but I didn't think I put both there. does Premiere add that keyframe in there?
14:06:47 [Mitch] I think it will add a key frame if you change the value at that point
14:07:36 [Nancy] that must be what happened. I was trying to smooth it out.
14:08:27 [Mitch] maybe not..I just tried it .anyway...if you want to change a keyframe, use the arrow keys to locate the keyframe
14:09:02 [Mitch] use the button in the middle to add/delete keyframes
14:09:45 [Mitch] I've also used it to adjust brightness when I pan from a dark area to a light area
14:10:15 [Mitch] any other questions?
14:11:40 [Mitch] Ok tip #2: when you're doing a frame export, there is a no de-interlace option
14:12:27 [Mitch] Do Export>Frame>Settings>Keyframes and rendering and you will see a de-interlace checkbox.
14:13:06 [Mitch] Use it. You'll get much better results. I de-interlace on all frame exports
14:13:07 [cmashfaq] hi i miss some part coze of disconnection ...
14:13:59 [cmashfaq] frame exports for frame extracted from video. right?
14:14:07 [Mitch] I use frame exports for printing of photos or for freeze frame
14:14:23 [Mitch] welcome back cmashfaq!
14:14:43 [Mitch] cmashfaq, yes
14:14:46 [cmashfaq] thanx
14:15:09 [cmashfaq] i almost met with a big accident to reach to this chatroom now
14:15:21 [Mitch] Under the covers it works much better than previous releases
14:15:31 [cmashfaq] 150kms speed..sorry go ahead
14:15:38 [djdeth] Can you do batch recording in Premier Pro
14:15:51 [Mitch] older releases you would frequently get blurry photos
14:16:15 [Mitch] no I don't...do you use it?
14:16:26 [FM] btw is it similar to PS?
14:16:35 [cmashfaq] i've used it in earlier versions
14:16:42 [Mitch] I know adobe made a big deal about scene detection
14:17:00 [djdeth] I can't find batch recording in the new premier.
14:17:06 [cmashfaq] seeking a tape in the beginning was a prob sometimes
14:17:27 [Mitch] fernando, is what similar to PS?
14:17:55 [FM] sorry, the de-interlace feature
14:18:43 [Mitch] djdeth, there is a batch capture option of the file menu
14:19:07 [cmashfaq] F6 SHORTCUT
14:19:23 [Mitch] I haven't used the batch capture
14:19:29 [djdeth] I can't select it.
14:19:32 [djdeth] It's gray
14:19:51 [cmashfaq] coze u'r video cam is not connected
14:20:04 [Mitch] fernando, I think it is similar but you might get better results from Premiere
14:20:22 [FM] djdeth, probably you don't have the device control active
14:20:39 [FM] ok, thanks mitch
14:20:48 [Mitch] only because you accessing the original video and not an already extracted file
14:20:54 [cmashfaq] device control gets active when videocam is connected
14:21:32 [FM] in my book that shouldn't ake any difference but...
14:21:41 [Mitch] by the way, you want to hook-up the camera and then turn it on...that works for me
14:21:50 [FM] make I mean
14:22:15 [cmashfaq] fine
14:23:01 [cmashfaq] when we double click the avi file in the timeline..we get the dual window..how do we avoid getting dual window instead of single window, Mitch
14:23:56 [Mitch] fernando, you might be right it may be accessing info in just previous or following frames...not sure
14:24:16 [FM] k
14:24:35 [cmashfaq] hi rachandy
14:24:43 [Mitch] cmashfaq, use the little arrow at the top of the monitor you'll get a menu with those options
14:24:44 [Rachandy] Hey
14:24:56 [Mitch] top right that is
14:25:50 [Mitch] I usually go to single view and enlarge the window when I'm in final review
14:26:03 [cmashfaq] i don't want that to happen at all that is when double clicking avi why dual window should open.. Can we avoid it?
14:26:18 [Mitch] hi rachandy
14:26:34 [cmashfaq] i want single window to open upon clicking avi in the timeline
14:27:30 [Nancy] wouldn't that be counter-productive to what the program is designed to do?
14:27:58 [Rachandy] Mitch
14:28:02 [cmashfaq] i want to know if there is an option for that...if not, it's ok..
14:28:16 [Mitch] you can change it to single-view after double-clicking for either window
14:28:26 [FM] Ok I just had to install PPro on a friend's PC. One documented tip that sometimes is overlooked. Always install PPro after AE6
14:28:56 [FM] If you want PPro to install the import project in AE
14:29:39 [Mitch] yep although....I've heard that inporting PPro projects into AE is buggy...
14:29:48 [cmashfaq] i do that always..
14:30:26 [FM] never tryed it bu it might become handy in a short project
14:30:51 [Mitch] I have also run into a bug in importing a qucktime file with an alpha channel into PPro
14:31:05 [FM] & I hope Adobe improves it on new versions
14:31:09 [Mitch] yep, I might try it
14:31:32 [FM] bug , mitch?
14:31:37 [djdeth] I think the new version is good.
14:31:50 [cmashfaq] it is really good
14:32:15 [Mitch] I did this I created a quicktime file with alpha channel in AE
14:32:56 [Mitch] Import into PPro, no problem. Added a title on a higher level video track, caused PPro crash...
14:33:22 [FM] wow! that's bad
14:33:32 [Mitch] The 2 alpha channels seem to be a problem
14:34:32 [Mitch] now that I think about it, if I separated the quicktime file to a new sequence it might work
14:34:41 [Nancy] it sounds like they are fighting for priority.
14:35:54 [FM] probably, Nancy. & maybe mitch that means the sequence trick may work
14:36:08 [Mitch] for some background...there aren't many options for creating a file in AE with an alpha channel basically quicktime with alpha
14:36:39 [Mitch] or uncompressed avi...which works fine but requires lots of disk space
14:36:48 [FM] I always use targa or psd image sequences
14:37:14 [Mitch] yea that might work just as well
14:37:38 [FM] there is a whole buch of software that accepts these welll & it is versatile to woprk with
14:38:05 [FM] It still requires lots of HD space
14:39:06 [Mitch] yep, I like to keep it in one file for management reasons...instead of a sequence of stills but I could learn
14:39:06 [FM] but there are advantages to it... If a render craches you don't have to render the whole thing again
14:39:18 [Nancy] *note to self: order multiple hard drives for new computer*
14:39:36 [FM] just from the last rendered fraame
14:40:08 [Mitch] yea video is disk storage intensive
14:41:04 [Mitch] Ok moving on Tip#3: to fade in/out a title you can drop a cross dissolve on it
14:41:21 [Mitch] no more rubberbands...very easy
14:41:37 [Nancy] so speaking of project management and disk storage: wouldn't it be better to not keep the rendered version after it is on DVD?
14:41:39 [Mitch] you can also do this for audio tracks
14:42:22 [Nancy] we can leave that for another chat session. the question was O/T. sorry
14:42:30 [FM] I'll be on & off for a while so don't mind me if I don't participate much
14:42:42 [Mitch] nancy, I keep all my files but it really depends on whether you will re-edit the video or not
14:43:07 [Mitch] if not, just keep a copy of the compressed video
14:43:58 [Nancy] well this leads me to an encore question, so again I'll save that for another time.
14:44:30 [Mitch] speaking of bugs...next tip: Importing Premiere 6.x projects is buggy avoid it if you can
14:45:23 [Mitch] there are problems with virtual clips and motion not getting converted correctly
14:46:42 [Mitch] last tip: The new audio mixer is much improved with a peak level indicator
14:47:03 [Nancy] so, in other words, it would be better to start over in Pro?
14:47:22 [Mitch] One of the annoying problems that can occur is with clipping of audio ...
14:47:46 [Mitch] nancy, probably better to just finish it in Premiere 6.x
14:48:29 [Mitch] clipped audio sounds bad but you probably won't hear it on Premiere during preview
14:48:56 [Mitch] if you see the peak level hit red, you're clipping the audio
14:49:39 [Mitch] that's my list...any questions or additional tips?
14:50:03 [Nancy] last night when you mentioned this tip, I opened that audio palette in Premiere. I changed the master setting so it no longer had the red spots. Does Premiere save that new setting then?
14:50:28 [Mitch] yes
14:50:43 [Nancy] okay. thanks
14:51:43 [Mitch] there are ways to dynamically change a value by setting the controls at the top of the channel
14:51:49 [Nancy] is there an easy way to move to a certain point in the timeline?
14:52:02 [Mitch] I find it better to use keyframes
14:52:16 [Mitch] lots
14:53:05 [Mitch] you can over type the time value in the upper left of the timeline
14:53:20 [Nancy] actually I meant for working - so I can work on adding keyframes for that section. actually it is probably much better to have several sort sequences?
14:53:44 [Nancy] oh that's right - I forgot about that. thanks.
14:54:02 [FM] btw the echo & reverb audio filters do still cut abrubtly at the end of the clip?
14:54:17 [Mitch] if you have a preset spot, you can set markers
14:55:31 [FM] or maybe you havent try them yet
14:55:42 [Mitch] fernando, probably but these can be keyframed
14:56:07 [Mitch] with the same slow out, curve out options
14:56:17 [FM] not the best way but ok
14:56:24 [Mitch] I haven't tried them
14:56:28 [FM] lol!
14:58:18 [FM] In 6.5 I had to create Virtual Clips to do it naturally but the quality was awful
14:58:38 [Mitch] there isn't actually an echo effect anymore but there are others like delay
14:59:14 [FM] cause rev & echo just naturally, not by fade
14:59:44 [FM] I mean cause rev & echo just die naturally, not by fade
15:00:08 [FM] ok thanks mitch
15:00:34 [Mitch] fernando, yep I understand that...I haven't tried most of the new audio stuff
15:01:17 [Mitch] thanks everyone for coming...next time I'm thinking of just 1 session at 4 pm Pacific...does that work for you?
15:01:58 [cmashfaq] hey mitch think about the asian,, ok about me
15:02:11 [Rachandy] Thanks
15:02:11 [Nancy] not the best time, but I'm sure I can swing it. *S*
15:02:54 [cmashfaq] it will be 3am for me
15:03:20 [Mitch] fernando, I think the reverb will do what you want
15:03:35 [cmashfaq] very tough.. you know to attend this chat, i didn't sleep the whole night.. and now the second chat i had disconnections..
15:03:56 [cmashfaq] i missed a lot
15:04:33 [cmashfaq] could'nt u make it 7pm for u all for me it'l gonna be 6am
15:04:39 [Mitch] cmashfaq, yep it is tough. feel free to post a note on the forums about topics you would like or time preferences
15:04:52 [cmashfaq] or 6pm
15:05:15 [cmashfaq] sure i'll post a note on the forums
15:05:36 [cmashfaq] when is the next date??
15:05:39 [Mitch] 6pm seemed pretty late for the Europeans...
15:06:09 [Mitch] just hard to get us all together...we can do 2 sessions again also at different times
15:06:18 [Rachandy] Hope you keep doing this. I think its dynomite. I learn a lot just listening
15:06:26 [cmashfaq] sure
15:06:59 [review1000] cmashfaq> hey
15:07:03 [Nancy] me too Rach - can I ask for a "newbies" chat session?
15:07:04 [review1000] hi all
15:07:29 [Mitch] thanks for coming next topic is encore in 2 weeks
15:07:31 [Rachandy] Count me in on that one Nancy
15:07:56 [Mitch] nancy, that's a good idea
15:08:09 [review1000] FM thanks for the help